Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Welcome to the Karma Church podcast.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Oh, thank you. Thank you. Will you stay standing just for a moment?
Sorry. It's up down, isn't it? Why don't you hold out your hands?
Holy Spirit, we love you.
Thank you for coming this morning.
Lord, we do not take your presence for granted.
We honor you in this house, though we lay aside everything we've bought, any distraction, anything, we just set our eyes on you.
Would you draw near to us today, Lord? I pray anyone who's come today in need of a miracle and encounter that they would meet you, that you would touch every heart in this place, that you would draw near.
I thank you for a peace that only you bring.
And I ask that your peace would fall upon your people, your peace, your goodness, your presence.
We love you, God.
Would you put your hand on your heart, say this after me, Holy Spirit, do whatever you want in me this morning.
Amen.
Amen. Sit down. Thank you.
Thank you, Dan.
Yes. So for any of you that I haven't met, my name is Joel. I am the worship pastor here.
My parents lead the church. So I have been here, like dad said, for about 20 years, which is crazy.
We are Essex people originally. So I'm born and raised in Southend.
Lester has softened my accent ever so slightly. Get me around a bunch of Essex people, it comes right back out. I guess that's the good stuff.
The last few.
Last few months, really, I've been going on walks with God and praying, and the Lord has been speaking to me about faith. And I've had this real sense that God wants to bestow a gift of faith upon me.
And actually, over the last few months, I've felt something shift in my life where I've gone from just saying I believe him to actually believing him. There's been this thing that shifted in my heart.
And as many of you will know as a church, we are standing at a moment where God has given us some dreams and he has spoken to us and we are believing him for some miracles.
And they really are miracle miracles.
If he doesn't show up, they're not happening.
You know, sometimes when we believe God for things, we believe God. And then we go, God, I believe you're gonna do this. And then we sit back and we get the plan out and go, right, how are we gonna do this?
You know?
But this is one of those things where we sit back and, my God, there's no plan. We can't do this without you. You don't show up. We can't do this. And honestly, about 10 years ago where I'll start the story today, we were stood as a family and as a church. At a similar point, actually, God had spoken.
He'd given us dreams, and he'd said, I'm gonna do something. And we were stood at the cusp and we needed a miracle. And I'm gonna be so real with you. I had no fai.
None. I did not believe that he could do what he did, but I did what he said.
So I didn't have any faith that he would actually do it.
But I knew that I had to do what he said. And I felt a bit like the guys in Daniel before. They go into the furnace and they say, God, you know, you will save us, but even if you don't, we still love you. And that's what it felt like. It felt like God, honestly don't know if you're gonna do this, but that's okay. I still love you.
And he ended up doing it. But here's what I think's different about now we're stood at another one of those moments where I am. We need the Lord to show up.
But the difference is, I believe the Lord is breathing a gift of faith onto this church for this next season.
I believe that faith is going to lead us into this next season, that we will believe and know in our knower that he is going to do what he said he's going to do, and we are gonna go forward. And it is with that conviction and assurance that we're going to step into this season and see some of the most remarkable, miraculous things we have ever seen. I have never personally seen some of the things we're believing God for.
And this is a moment where we need him to show up on multiple levels. And I think there are people in this room, you need him sharp. Personally, we're believing God for miracles corporately. But personally, you need breakthrough. And I believe this morning the Lord is going to bestow faith upon his people, that we would believe and have an assurance in our Noah that he is going to do what he said he's going to do.
For some of you, it's relationships. For some of you, it's houses. For some of you, it's family restoration. For some of you, it's breakthrough in your jobs. God is going to do the thing he's promised. And there is a faith that is rising in your heart that tells you that he's going to do what he says he's going to do.
And, you know, actually, I didn't say this. First service this morning.
I Woke up. And I was.
When I wake up often, I'll just kind of start praying, but I'm kind of. It's kind of half asleep prayer, you know, I'm kind of like, oh, I love you, but I'm kind of only just there.
I was praying this morning and I heard an audible roar. I don't ever have that. It was like the Lord roared. And I was like, oh, my goodness.
You know, it woke me up and it made me think of if any of you seen the scene in the lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe where Aslan arrives and he stands on the rock and he roars, and it's like everyone goes, oh, my goodness, we've won.
And that is the moment I feel like the Lord wants to bring us into right now. The roar of God, oh, my goodness, we've won.
So I want to tell you a bit of our worship story this morning. I'm going to move as quickly through as I can. We're going to start about 10 years ago, we changed our name. We became Cromer Church. We left the denomination that we were part of.
Quite a few people left the church. Honestly, it was a pretty stormy and traumatic season.
We were.
One of my friends once said to me that when Jesus is on the move, everything shakes and the things that aren't of him crumble.
And honestly, that's what happened to us. God was on the move, everything began to shake, and the things that weren't of him crumbled to nothing. And the truth is, we were left with very little.
It was just us. And it was this stormy season, and we were a little. There you go. We were a little all over the place.
And it was in that season that my mum felt the Lord say, I want you to go out to Bethel Church in Redding, California. So we as a family, got on a plane and flew out to Bethel Church, California. And I want to be so honest with you, I didn't want to go at all. I'd seen a couple of videos, couple YouTube trolls. For whatever reason, I believed them.
And I was like, I'm not sure about this. I don't want to go. But also, like, free trip to America. So, you know, you kind of weighing it up, and I'm like, okay, okay, I'll do it. But I'm kind of doing it reluctantly, you know, I mean, I'm a bit too cool for school. I'm like, I'm going in to. And we got out and we went into the first service, and at this point, we were pretty beat up. You know, we still love Jesus, but our whole world had crumbled.
And we stood in the first service and the worship began, and people just began to worship, and the presence of God just fell in the room. And it was just wonderful.
Apart from. I hated every minute of it.
Every minute. I was like. I just got so cross. Like, I'm just, like, in the worship's playing the band, like, this morning, and I'm just, like, getting grumpier and grumpy. I'm starting to grumble. I'm, like, shaking. I'm, like, irritating. You would have seen steam coming out my ears. And then. And the worship kept going. And hear me, the worship was, like, phenomenal. It was wonderful. It sounded amazing. Like, there was nothing for me to be cross at, but I was just getting angrier and angrier and angrier. And then the guy, poor guy, gets up to preach, and I'm raging at this point. Like, this poor brother was just, like, speaking the word of God really encouraging. And I'm like, no, it's wrong. And I'm like. I'm, like, really cross. Okay. Like, basically manifesting. And I get up. I get up. I get. You know, the service finishes, I get into the car, and I'm expecting that, you know, my whole family, as they get into the car, are going to be like, joel, absolutely. That was, you know, horrendous. You're right. You know what I mean? And I get in the car and I sit down. I'm still, like, fuming. And everyone sits down, and they're like, wow, wasn't that wonderful?
And I'm like, ah, no way. Like. And I'm cross. I'm thinking, these. They must be heretics as well. Oh, no. You know, and I'm, like, angry. And I'm, you know. And we get home. I don't really say a lot. We get home, everyone just goes to bed. I'm kind of left to just be grumpy on my own.
And we keep, you know, we get in the next morning.
The next morning, my dad takes me out for breakfast, and he sits me down and he sits opposite me, and he says, joel, the only thing that can make you that angry is the presence of God.
Nothing else. The only thing that can offend you that much is the presence of God. And honestly, you're just not used to being in rooms like that.
And I sat and I had this moment where I was like, the thing is, I've been trying to figure out, like, what.
What I was upset at. You ever have that where you're going, you're running back through, in your mind, you're going, like, the worship was good, you know, even if I didn't like the preaching, why am I getting so angry? Like, you know, like I'm running back. And when he said that, I was like, he's right.
I have never known the nearness of the Lord like that.
And I was offended.
And the truth was, at this point in my journey, I had put the Holy Spirit in a box.
Put him in a box. This is what he does do, this is what he doesn't do. This is what it looks like when he comes. He was in this little box. And at 20 years old, I knew everything there was to know about the Lord. It was phenomenal.
And in that moment where I'm sat and my dad says, that was the presence of God, that offence, that's what that box just exploded.
And suddenly I realized I really didn't know nearly as much as I thought that God was so much more vast than I could understand, that he was beyond anything I could believe. And he had so much to teach me. You wouldn't believe it as a 20 year old. God had a lot to teach me.
And we got home and honestly everything really began to change for us.
Everything. And for me, it started this kind of awakening in my heart where I was like, okay, God, all the things I thought I knew about you, I'm going to throw them out the window and I'm going to try some things and see if you turn up.
And in that same period of time, we ended up visiting a church in Colombia called Evivio Miento. Amazing story of how we ended up getting out there.
End up kind of right in the center of this mega revival church. Hundred thousand people coming every weekend.
It's the crazy place where people are getting healed and people running forward to give their lives to Jesus. But we were really struck in that place. There was a pastor, his name's Pastor Ricardo, and he began to minister. And as he ministered, the Holy Spirit would come into the room. But the thing that really struck my family, that struck me was this sense that he had a relationship with the Holy Spirit.
He knew the Holy Spirit like his best friend.
You almost felt like you were a third wheel when you were in the room with him. You know, it was like him and God and there was just an intimacy and a love and he was really just inviting everyone into that space. And we came back from those trips in Colombia and we were like, I don't know how we get there, but I Want that.
Like, I want that. And for the first time, probably for me, it was like, hey, I want to know the Lord. Just to know the Lord.
He doesn't have to give me anything. There's no end result. Like, he can have all the dreams. I just want to know him. Like, he knows him.
And my. My dad came back specifically from that trip, and everything kind of had changed. Like, we began to pray for people and they would just fall over.
People would start running around and doing crazy things, and people started worshiping and people were getting healed and people were getting saved. We were like, oh, my goodness. Do you know how much better the church is with the Holy Spirit?
Did you know it's much better when he leads.
We just were like, oh, my goodness. And I specifically noticed, like, with my dad, there was an intimacy with the Lord that changed everything.
He started. I'm honestly not joking. We have pictures. We think he looks about 10 years younger, having had these encounters with God. They call it the glory glow.
And so we're, at this point, I'm the worship pastor. There's not many of us on Worship Team. There's, like, a few of us. You know, honestly, Leicester is not the place for musicians. Like, there's no venues, there's kind of no music scene. Like, there's, you know, so we're just. There's a few of us. And actually, at the time, it was me and a guy called Dan Williams.
And Dan, who is a dear friend, Dan. Dan used to play drums and I'd lead worship, and then I'd play drums and Dan would lead worship. That we had no contingency plan, no holidays, no one was allowed off. We couldn't do it. It was like, dan, look. You know. And to be honest, Rotors were really easy, one or two options.
And we did that every week until Dan felt like the Lord spoke to him and said, I want you to go to Myanmar.
And I'm like, dan, that doesn't sound like the Lord, because obviously of our current arrangement, and obviously there were much holier people than me, were like, that is the Lord. And Dan ends up going to my ma. And before he goes, he gives Chris, who is leading worship today, some drumsticks and says, good luck. You're all we've got.
Promise you. And Chris started playing drums. And at this point, I'm working with Chris, and I'm like, you know, if Chris is. If me and Chris are in a room here, I'm like, chris, I believe in you. You've got this. Like, you watch what God's gonna do. I'm excited for Sunday.
And then I'd go and I'd sit in a room with my dad. Like, he hasn't got this.
He can't do this. Like, you're gonna ask. I'm gonna get up on stage, we're all gonna play out of time. It's gonna be dreadful. Like, we can't do this. And then I go back to Chris and go, brother, you've got this.
That was the journey. And we honestly, we had just, like, a few musicians, and there were all kinds of bits of chaos. And honestly, I was just working all the time just to try and get us to be able to roughly sing in tune, play in time, and get through a set list.
Like, I'm serious, you know? And we did this whole journey, and then Covid hits.
So I've done. You know, we had this restart. We renamed the church, all of this stuff, Team Restart. And then we build and we finally get somewhere. And then Covid hit.
Everything stops. We can't gather, can't do anything.
And a ton of those guys that we've been working with ended up moving to different places for work.
I was like, I'm back to. Back to, you know, stage zero. Maybe it's like, minus something. Like, what am I supposed to do?
And in that season, I'd always said to the Lord, if I had more time, I would spend more time with you.
How many of you guys know? I had a good amount of time in that season. And I suddenly realized that I wasn't spending that much time with God. And I needed to. And I knew that I needed to, but I didn't know how to do it. I don't know if any of you guys are like, lord, I want to know you, but how do I do this?
And all I knew was my dad would go on walks in the morning. He'd walk around his village, and he'd sing this old kind of Benny Hinn tune that was like, hallelujah, Hallelujah. Walk around the village with Milo, our dog.
And they would just walk around. So I went, okay, I don't know what to do, but I'm going to start walking. I can do that. I can step out my house.
So every evening, I started going on these walks, and I would get a little playlist on my phone, just like Apple music, put my AirPods in and just go and walk. And I'd just start to worship. I looked like an absolute nut job. I just were walking out is in goodbye yesterday. I mean, like, that Song wasn't out, but you get the picture. And I would walk and I would worship.
And to my amazement, as I worshiped and as I kept worshiping, the Holy Spirit began to come.
And it was like, he would just draw near. So I'd get like, you know, 20 minutes in, and he would just draw close, and I would know he was there. Like, when the Lord draws near to you, you know, and he would draw near, and I'd be like, oh, there he is. And when that would happen, I'd begin to pause my music and just speak to him. I'd just pray and tell him about all of the. Everything, really. I told him about the dreams I had that looked really impossible, the ones I felt like he'd given me. But I'm like, lord, I'd tell him about my disappointments.
I'd tell him about just the really normal things of life. He became my friend.
The Holy Spirit became my friend. And we would just talk and talk and talk. And what amazed me is he was so much more real than I could have ever imagined.
Like, he would engage in everything I talked to him about. So I'd be walking, I'd be praying for a friend. God, this friend needs you. And that friend would ring me.
They go, this thing's going on. And I'd be like, I've just been praying for you.
It must be the Lord. And we would speak, or like, I would just have thing after thing. And I found that everything I brought to the Lord in my secret place. He walked out with me.
He led, I just followed. It changed everything for me.
And in this season of walking with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit said to me, I want you to start Chroma worship.
And I was like, holy Spirit, I don't know if you've noticed, but we actually can't gather at the moment, like, what Chroma worship is going to be, Joel.
That's it, you know? And I was like, seriously? And I kind of knew it was the Lord. I'll just move it closer again. I kind of knew it was the Lord because I had no desire for that. Like, I didn't really want that. I was just trying to get a worship team together, roughly, you know, that wasn't what I thought was going to happen. And so when the Lord spoke that we were still in lockdown. And so I would start to go home and I'd start to try and write songs, and I would sit. We had this little loft room, and I set up a computer and some speakers and just started Writing songs.
And as I began to write, we got a few songs, and let me tell you, they were rubbish.
They were really bad. Like, this is not false humility. I pulled some of these songs together. They were disastrous.
And you know how. You know, because when you send people your songs and they respond like, I love your heart, they're like, wow, thank you so much for your expression. And you're like, yeah, I know, I know, I know. Especially in Britain, we're not bold enough to say, that sucks, are we? So we did something nice like that. So I'm sending. I know this. But I'd done what the Lord said.
And we bought these songs on a Sunday. We still weren't gathering. We had, like, a TV kind of little set thing to live stream it out.
Just me on a guitar and, like, one person on keys. And we started to sing these songs. But what began to happen was, as we sang these songs, it was like the Holy Spirit would come.
I don't think anyone else liked the songs, but he did.
It's really funny. Like, it was just like, he would come, and everyone was like, hey, like, when you sing that song, it's like, the Lord does this. And I'm like, I know. That's cool.
And honestly, at that point, I was like, okay, Lord, we'll do this.
I don't know if we'll ever write, like, the best songs, but if we write the ones you love, I'm good.
What more could we need?
And he just began to come. As we led, everything started to open up a bit more. We started to be able to do worship, and people were coming back out to church.
We had a few songs, and I was walking one day, and the Lord gave me this picture. Are there any Lord of the Rings fans in the room?
Yeah, come on. Okay. It's a long film. I don't blame you all.
And the Lord gave me this picture of the battle at Helm's Deep, which is basically this huge castle kind of fortress.
And the good guys are hiding in the fortress because there's an army coming, and they don't stand a chance against the army. And the scenes kind of set, and you've got kind of kids wearing armor that doesn't fit and kind of older men without limbs, kind of holding a sword and just kind of going, you know, we just know we're gonna die, right? And then they're in this moment, an army of elves arrive, and they're, like, dressed in this blue armor, and they, like, march in, and everyone's like, oh, my goodness. We might have a chance. It's like this amazing moment and I saw this picture as I walked, and I felt the Lord say, I'm bringing the army. And it's like I instantly knew it was musicians. I don't know how I knew that, but I knew it was like, he's bringing in some musicians. And that same week, I got about three different phone calls from different people saying, hey, I'm moving to Leicester to be part of Cromwell Worship. And I'm thinking Cromwell Worship's Joel Barber. I mean, what.
I really got panicked because I'm like, are you sure?
Like, sure you want to move? You know? And these guys were moving and they started working just in, like, any job. They would just get any job. They could part time and then come and in the evenings produce music.
They would just serve. They literally moved to serve in this space.
No one knew what we were doing. There wasn't like vast crowds. They came because they wanted to worship the Lord. They wanted somewhere to come before him and pour out their offering. And honestly, person after person started coming. People that were really seasoned or, you know, kind of young people that had, like, got a passion and wanted to come. And this thing began to happen and we started making music. We just carried on making these songs and we converted. We had a room at the bottom. It was like a long room. And we converted it into our makeshift studio.
But we didn't have any resource, so we kind of had to be creative. So we took the mics we already had on stage and we plugged them all in. And we found that when we would sing, it was already, like a verbie in the room. So we were like, oh, what are we going to do? So we had this creative solution and we made what we called a sofa booth. Vocal booth. You guys got the picture?
Oh, it's a video.
We could do that one. Yeah. So this is our sofa booth. Vocal booth.
And it was amazing because we literally. I mean, you can. We literally stacked everything up in the corner and then people would get in there and track their vocals. But here's the thing, it was really small and everyone else is quite tall. So if you'll see, you can play the video. Chris had to kneel when he was in there. Chris, bro, what's going on over there?
I'm going to turn these monitors off. He's actually having to kneel. No, he's not. As he's praising the Lord on his knees as he sings.
We began to make music and just release music from that little room just for the church, and we would sing the songs, and a couple of things started to happen as the musicians started to come. It was like joy and high praise began to break out all across the church.
People started running to the front. People haven't always been worshipers at the front. People would run to the front and begin to just start dancing.
And you guys know me and my dad, we are not dancers. Like, we could not lead a dancing church if it was not for the Holy Spirit. Like, people are coming down and they're just starting to dance. And it wasn't just, like, skilled dancers coming. It was everyone. Like, everyone was jumping out and taking a step and engaging in this thing. There was this sense of joy breaking out. Like, I knew as the Holy Spirit came that there would be responses. People always respond when Jesus comes close. I just didn't know it would be joy.
I didn't know that it would be really fun.
It sounds so weird, doesn't it? But I didn't know that people would just start to praise and dance and shout and sing and. And we began to worship and worship and worship. And it's like these moments of joy and high praise would just kind of flare up. Do you guys want to show the dance like David did thing.
Me?
I'm gonna dance like baby.
I'm gonna dance like baby day.
I'm gonna dance like baby.
That's my phone.
And you know what was so cool about that? Like, you can see the joy on Khadisha, our bass player's face. We had no idea what was going on. Like, none. We're all just. We hadn't really planned that. Edge starts singing this. I'm gonna dance our daily danced. And we were all like, oh, you know, people are like. And then people are nicking tissues that are supposed to be for people crying.
It's like waving them in the air. And we're like, okay, cool. Honestly, I tell you, we've needed a different level of tissue budget since the Lord's come, but not because people are crying, because people are dancing.
How amazing is that?
And then, you know, it all kind of kept going. And we started doing these little prayer meetings all over the country. We were just anywhere where people wanted to go after the presence of God. We'd go and do these little prayer meetings. We'd go with just an acoustic guitar and a keyboard. You know, we didn't have the resource to do anything more than that. And we would just go to these places. We did some in Wales. I think there was somewhere mid. Kind of just south Ish. And then an Essex one. And there were a couple of different places and we would just go and we'd get a keyboard and a guitar. And honestly, it was sometimes, like 10 people would show up. Like, they would, like, really touch.
And I remember one of the last ones we did, it was me and Dan. Dan booked a day off work to come and do this thing.
About 10 people showed up. We spent the whole day setting up. It was like. It was a lot of work.
And we're driving back and it's probably about 2 in the morning and he's working the next day, he'll be up at 8.
And we're driving back and I turn to him and I'm like, you know, like, I know there weren't loads of people, but the Lord was there and he was like, yeah, the Lord was there and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
And we got back and I remember because that weekend we had our Presence and Promise Conference, which is coming up. You guys have got the flyers. And that weekend we had our Presence Promise Conference, and our friend Ben Fitzgerald came and he took me into a room and said, I want you to come and lead worship at our stadium of event.
And so the first thing we really ended up doing outside of this church and some prayer events we'd done was a stadium, 20,000 people.
We took everyone out. Do you want to show the video? I think we got it.
Sing, Sam.
And did you.
Did you notice, like, as people just were dancing, like, people all over the room just started dancing. It almost looked coordinated, like we weren't leading that. I'm kind of look like I'm doing an aerobics workout. Not dark, you know, that wasn't like, we didn't set the tone for that. But it's the thing God's been doing in our house years on.
Everything was kind of building and we started to have a team and they started releasing little YouTube moments. And we would just take our broadcast mix. We kind of have like one shot, and if we get it, we put it out. And we put something out every week. And presence and promise. I remember Emily Lacey, one of our worship leaders. She led who else? In the morning? This song. And a couple of people had sent me this song a few times, and I. It just had never. I'd never connected with it. So I was always like, oh, I'm not. You know. And she led that song on the. I remember on the Saturday morning, and I walked in, I was like, oh, that's great.
And in the evening, we spontaneously ended up doing that song. It wasn't in the set list. We hadn't practiced it. We did this song and Daniel, who's leading today, put it out on YouTube. He just, like, cut it up, put it out. I didn't even know it was going out.
And he was like, hey, I think maybe we should put it on Spotify. I was like, okay, yeah, cool. Yeah, do it. Is it gonna cost me anything? And, you know, and we put this song out on Spotify, and this song ends up, like, traveling the world.
Like, it goes way further than I think we even knew, you know, we were just loving the presence of God in our local context, you know, and the truth is, we didn't really know what was going on outside of here. And this song traveled all over the world, and suddenly there's kind of crazy streams and our Instagram and our TikTok start getting kind of all of these views that we didn't really know what to do with.
And isn't it funny that as we have adored the Lord in this house, he has made us famous before men?
It's amazing. And the thing that people continuously have said as I've traveled around is the thing that's marked us about the music and the songs and the worship is the sound of your church.
Not that sound, this sound.
The sound of the worshippers, the sound of undignified praise, the sound of people just giving everything.
People have been marked by that all over the world. And this song just began to travel all over the place.
And suddenly, you know, it kind of. We had all this interest that we didn't know about. And the hilarious full circle moment is we've just signed up to work with Bethel music.
So 10 years on from that original moment, Right from the start, where I went out there resistantly and God has brought us full circle.
And actually, honestly, the truth is, it is the sound of this house that is carrying. It's the sound of this house that's going to change things.
The thing that's going to move people is the sound of radical worshippers.
It is his presence upon his house.
It's him.
I said I was going to tell you guys where I think we're going. I think we're going to write and release a lot more songs. I think we want to write songs that the Holy Spirit loves, and we are committed to that. We're working on that. We've got a whole crew of us now, and we're going to write and release music. And we want that music to serve the church. We want it to sound like you guys. We want it to be the story of people in this place. We want it to be the story of people as they get saved, as people come forward, as they get healed. That's the story we want to tell.
I believe that we are building a worship movement. I believe that the Lord is building something in England that will send Levites and worshipers all over the world, but that will gather Levites and worshipers around his presence.
That it won't be the worshipers in the church, that it will be the church and the worshipers together gathered around the presence of God. Levites do their absolute best work when we stay around his presence. That's what we want to build. That's what we want to see. That's what this worship movement is. That's what chromal worship is. It has to be the worshippers around the presence of God. And that's you guys, and that's these guys. It's all of us as one making a noise that the Lord loves. We worry about all the rest after, but he's got to love it.
And thirdly, I think the Lord is raising up a Josiah movement. I said it a few years ago. The story of Josiah is that he is a child king.
He becomes a king. And the truth is the kings before him have not done good.
They've messed up and they've messed up and they've messed up and they've turned from the Lord. And by the time Josiah comes in, there's like, God is angry and someone. And Josiah doesn't even know. Doesn't even know the Lord.
And one of the priests bring the scroll of the Law to Josiah, and they read it to him, and he falls on his knees and repents.
And the thing that I find amazing about Josiah is he's a kid. He really hasn't done that much wrong, but he just feels this sense of conviction, Lord, we have wronged you. And he's like, I don't know what you know. I can't control the future, but I can control what I will do. And we will be right by you. This is what the Lord says to Josiah. He says now, before him there was no king like him, who turned to the Lord with all his heart, with all his soul, and with all his might, according to the law of Moses. Nor after him did any arise. And I believe that we are going to see in this place a generation of worshipers rise up that turn to the Lord with all of their heart, like everything. And I think there's going to be a whole generation that don't respond to what's come before. It's not like, oh, we've got to do it differently. But they just respond to Lord, it has to be about you.
It has to be for you. It has to be for your presence. Like what we do has to be for you. If we are right by you, we are right.
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